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Boris’s story: Bringing “positive deviance” into the fight for ocean and climate health

Friday, 29 August 2025 | By Climate High-Level Champions & Edges of Earth

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An interview with: Boris Worm, marine ecologist and professor at Dalhousie University

Country & Region: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Breakthrough: Marine Conservation

Beneficiaries / Impact: Positive deviance is a scientific framework that utilizes success stories from outliers in order to apply impactful policy ideas to the majority. This concept has been successfully applied across various sectors—including health, education, and organizational management—by identifying solutions for challenges that arise from within the communities themselves. Its strength lies in the observation that those closest to a problem often hold the most effective solutions. In ocean conservation, this approach is especially powerful, as local communities, fishers, and coastal residents are frequently more attuned to subtle ecosystem shifts and sustainable practices than distant policymakers. By focusing on outliers—like fisheries that thrive under environmental stress or communities that preserve healthy marine ecosystems—positive deviance uncovers practical, scalable solutions to global issues like overfishing, habitat loss, and climate change. This method highlights the importance of learning from success stories rather than focusing on failure, offering an optimistic and actionable approach when it comes to addressing critical ocean challenges. Professor Boris Worm, together with Laurenne Schiller and colleagues, are working on this topic for the ocean environment, building on their foundational work titled "Learning from Positive Deviants in Fisheries.”

Boris Worm, a marine ecologist and professor at Dalhousie University, has spent decades advancing ocean conservation through groundbreaking research, policy work, and public outreach. His work on marine biodiversity and sustainable fisheries has shaped global efforts to address various threats and protect the oceans. Boris has been instrumental in raising awareness about species loss and has driven initiatives to establish more effective marine protected areas. Through his research and advocacy, he has inspired greater public understanding and action on the critical challenges facing our oceans.

The Edges of Earth team travelled to Halifax, Canada to meet Boris at home and explore his groundbreaking work firsthand. Drawn by his optimistic, solutions-based approach, the team sought to understand how his latest work is reshaping the way we approach environmental challenges. The team gained invaluable insights into how the concept of “positive deviance” is already driving real-world change in fisheries and marine ecosystems, offering a powerful blueprint for future conservation efforts.

(Image: Boris Worm at his home in Halifax)

Science for all

My love for the ocean began when I was just a child, growing up near the North and Baltic Seas in Germany. I spent hours exploring the shoreline, marvelling at the life beneath the waves. Those early days sparked a curiosity that never left me. I found myself asking questions—how does the ocean work? What keeps these ecosystems thriving? That curiosity set me on a path that led to where I am today.

After studying marine biology in Germany, I earned my Ph.D. from Kiel University, focusing on marine ecosystems and their complexity. It was during those formative years that I began to understand just how interconnected everything in the ocean truly is. That understanding only deepened when I moved to Canada and joined Dalhousie University in Halifax, where I’ve now been working for over two decades. My work here has focused on everything from global fisheries and biodiversity to marine protected areas—an opportunity that has allowed me to not only conduct research but also help shape ocean policy and conservation efforts worldwide.

(Image: Boris and Laurenne’s oceanside home near Halifax)

Throughout my career, I've always believed that science shouldn’t exist in a vacuum. It’s not enough to simply gather data. We have to share our findings in a way that empowers people to understand and act on the information. This is why I’ve dedicated so much of my work to advocating for ocean literacy—helping people appreciate the critical role the ocean plays in our lives. The more that people understand, the more they can become part of the solution.

Positive deviance in practice

It’s this drive to connect science with action that has led me to my current focus: positive deviance. This is the idea that within any community, individuals or systems can succeed by doing things differently—which has the potential to revolutionize how we address the climate and ocean crises. After years of studying fisheries, marine ecosystems, and human interactions with the sea, I’ve come to realize that the most innovative solutions often emerge from those unexpected outliers. This approach shifts our focus from traditional problem-solving to learning from communities or ecosystems that are already thriving in spite of environmental pressures. In my opinion, positive deviance could reshape how we tackle environmental challenges on a global scale.

(Image: Boris has worked on fisheries issues throughout his career)

Take our work with fisheries, for instance. In Canada, where we have some of the world’s most regulated fisheries, we’re governed by the same sustainable fishing laws and frameworks across the country. Yet, despite the same policies, some fisheries outperform others. To understand why, we developed a computer model. This model factored in variables we know affect fisheries, such as catch volume, species value, and fishing gear. What we discovered is that while most fisheries perform predictably, outliers exist—fisheries that thrive even under less-than-ideal circumstances. But the model alone couldn’t explain everything, which led us to an essential realization: the human side of the equation plays a much larger role than we initially thought.

In an effort to uncover what made these outliers succeed, we began interviewing fishers, other experts as well as managers at Fisheries and Oceans Canada (DFO). We wanted to understand the personal and community factors that contributed to success—things like leadership, trust within the community, and balanced stakeholder involvement. These were critical elements that couldn’t be captured in a traditional model. The complexity of human systems—the way people collaborate, make decisions, or balance community interests—proved to be as vital as ecological or economic factors in explaining why some fisheries thrived. As a result, we were able to see how much these human dynamics influenced environmental outcomes.

(Image: Connecting with the local Halifax community)

The next step, which we’re working toward right now, is perhaps the most critical. It’s about reverse-engineering these outliers’ success and applying those lessons to areas where other fisheries struggle. If we find that a balanced portfolio of stakeholders leads to better outcomes, this insight could benefit the DFO to help them rethink their management approach. This is the essence of positive deviance—not just identifying what works but figuring out how to replicate those successes elsewhere. If this can work with fisheries, the question then becomes: where else can this be applied across marine science, conservation, and restoration?

Overcoming challenges

One of the challenges in applying positive deviance on a larger scale is the idea that solutions should come from within communities. This is rooted in the history of positive deviance, which originated in international development. I always share the example from Vietnam, where researchers found that certain children in malnourished communities were thriving while others weren’t. They discovered that families with healthy children practiced small, unique behaviors, like handing out food in more frequent, but smaller meals or adding small shrimp gathered from the rice paddies for extra nutrients. These simple practices were overlooked by organizations parachuting in with external solutions. The idea of learning from local knowledge and scaling those practices transformed how development work was done. The same principle applies to environmental conservation—solutions often need to come from within the community, not from outside experts who don’t fully appreciate the local context.

When applied to fisheries or broader environmental issues, positive deviance can help pinpoint solutions that are often overlooked by top-down approaches. Instead of foreign experts bringing in “answers,” we need to spend time in communities, listening, observing, and collaborating deeply to find out what’s already working. It's about building trust and tapping into the lived experiences of people who know their place best.

This approach is still in its early stages when it comes to environmental work, but in my opinion, the potential is enormous. We’ve already seen examples of success when science intersects with local knowledge. When these two worlds merge, there’s often a deep respect for the value that each brings to the table. This idea is central to how we need to approach the ocean and climate crises going forward. It’s not about helicoptering in to “fix” the problem—it’s about listening, learning, and collaborating on a much deeper level than we’ve done before.

(Image: Discussing the principles of positive deviance)

But this isn’t easy work—which is why I’m dedicating more of my time to it as I move forward in my career. And I’m not at it alone: I’m working closely with my partner, Laurenne Schiller, who is coming at this from a much different angle than me, even though we are both trained as marine scientists. The complexity of the human systems involved in environmental management often goes unappreciated by natural scientists. Historically, fisheries models have treated fishers as a homogenous group, assuming they all behave rationally and predictably. In reality, their decisions are influenced by a mix of motivations, pressures, and cultural norms—which is where Laurenne’s expertise comes into play. Positive deviance forces us to recognize that complexity and learn from it in order to make better decisions, together.

(Image: Laurenne Schiller is a major collaborator in the ongoing work on positive deviance)

As I’ve applied this approach to my work, I’ve seen firsthand how much we can learn from unexpected places. The biggest challenge now is scalability. How do we take these insights from outliers and apply them elsewhere? There’s a danger in assuming that one solution can work across all contexts, and we need to be mindful of local differences. For example, a successful fishery in one part of the world might owe its success to cultural factors that don’t exist elsewhere. But that doesn’t mean we can’t learn from it—it just means we need to adapt our solutions thoughtfully.

A message to the world

In many ways, the work that lies ahead reminds me of my own early experiences with ocean conservation. Back in 2009, I was deeply involved in efforts to end overfishing, traveling to Washington, D.C. and Ottawa, to advocate for scientific consensus we had reached on rebuilding fisheries. The optimism was high—we really thought we were going to end overfishing. But that didn’t happen. When I asked a trusted politician why, he told me that we simply hadn’t repeated our message often enough. That realization was a turning point for me.

I started a radio show called "Surf & Turf" in 2010, focusing on ocean literacy and the deep connection between people and the ocean. The show’s purpose was to get people to care about the ocean by helping them understand how it affects us and how we, in turn, affect it. Then, I started Ocean School, a program designed to educate youth around the world on the ocean’s significance and the impact of human activities on our planet. I realized then that simple awareness was half the battle—and needed to span audiences, from children to adults. Positive deviance takes that idea further—showing that while we may have big, global issues to solve, we can find solutions in the most unlikely places.

(Image: The coastline around Halifax)

As I move forward with my work, I’m increasingly convinced that positive deviance will play a pivotal role in addressing the climate and ocean crises. It’s not just about science or policy—it’s about community, leadership, and trust. It’s about finding what’s already working and using that knowledge to make a difference on a much larger scale. Whether it’s fisheries, marine protected areas, or even agriculture, this framework could be a key tool to drive meaningful change. My hope is that positive deviance can help us unlock new ways of thinking about the environmental challenges we face, and that it will inspire more scientists, policymakers, and communities to work together in ways we haven’t yet imagined.

(Image: Committed to ocean exploration, research and improvement)

The message I want to share is simple: we are all part of this planet, and we all have a role to play in protecting it. My hope for the future is that we continue to bridge the gap between science and local knowledge, empowering communities to lead the charge in preserving our oceans. There’s so much more to learn, but I’m optimistic that, together, we can safeguard the ocean’s future for generations to come. The solutions we need are already out there. It’s just a matter of finding them, learning from them, and scaling them in a way that works for everyone. And in many ways, I feel like my own journey is just getting started.

As told to Andi Cross in August 2024.


About the Ocean Breakthroughs

Resulting from the joint efforts of the Ocean & Coastal Zones community and building on the Ocean for Climate Declaration, the Ocean Breakthroughs have identified five turning points to reach by 2030 in order to achieve a healthy and productive ocean in 2050. These five turning points are focused around the most crucial ocean sectors: marine conservation, ocean renewable energy, shipping, aquatic food, and coastal tourism. Accelerated action and investments in each will help unlock the potential of the ocean as a source of solutions to the pressing challenges posed by climate change and biodiversity loss.

The scientific evidence is clear: as a major climate regulator and the largest living space on Earth, the ocean is integral to deliver on the goals of the Paris Agreement and the Global Biodiversity Framework. The Ocean Breakthroughs are science-based targets designed to boost mitigation and adaptation efforts, for the benefit of People and Nature. They will contribute to delivering on the global campaigns led by the UN Climate Change High-Level Champions, namely the Race to Resilience and Race to Zero, and their respective action agendas: the Sharm-el Sheikh Adaptation Agenda and the 2030 Breakthroughs.

About the Expedition

The women-led global expedition, Edges of Earth, has partnered with the Climate High-Level Champions to bring to life the Ocean Breakthroughs initiative by sharing personal accounts and climate action stories from remote coastal communities. This media partnership will feature interview-style stories that highlight the experiences and efforts of locals, Indigenous communities, nonprofits, and ocean scientists in addressing climate change. Celebrating its one-year anniversary, Edges of Earth has traveled to 25 countries (with nearly 30+ more to go throughout 2025) working closely with diverse groups to understand and amplify their climate resilience strategies. Through this collaboration, Edges of Earth will spotlight the five Ocean Breakthroughs by showcasing diverse voices and solutions to accelerate global climate action.

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